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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/07/politics-and-defense.html/comment-page-1#comment-248</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to imply that, because government grows like a fungus over anything it can, we should try to destroy all of government, knowing that we will fail but that in failing we will still do the best of all possible jobs of limiting government power.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;pretty hilarious really</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to imply that, because government grows like a fungus over anything it can, we should try to destroy all of government, knowing that we will fail but that in failing we will still do the best of all possible jobs of limiting government power.</p>
<p>pretty hilarious really</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/07/politics-and-defense.html/comment-page-1#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Wow.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A government that did only what was necessary to protect the community would be a great thing. Idealism is fun, but idealizing the nature of government is naive. Governments are artificial creatures that, regardless of who serves them, seek more power. Their power comes at the expense of human freedom. When a democratic government wants to take your freedom, it convinces you to give it up. If you give a government an inch, it&#039;ll take a mile.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Criminal defense lawyering is about stopping the government from taking that next inch. For some, like Shawn, it&#039;s about playing within the (government&#039;s) rules, making us all more free by making each client more free. Others are playing a higher-level game, trying to back the government up and change the rules.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Railing lunatics or not, all of us defenders are are the perpetual loyal opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin,</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>A government that did only what was necessary to protect the community would be a great thing. Idealism is fun, but idealizing the nature of government is naive. Governments are artificial creatures that, regardless of who serves them, seek more power. Their power comes at the expense of human freedom. When a democratic government wants to take your freedom, it convinces you to give it up. If you give a government an inch, it&#8217;ll take a mile.</p>
<p>Criminal defense lawyering is about stopping the government from taking that next inch. For some, like Shawn, it&#8217;s about playing within the (government&#8217;s) rules, making us all more free by making each client more free. Others are playing a higher-level game, trying to back the government up and change the rules.</p>
<p>Railing lunatics or not, all of us defenders are are the perpetual loyal opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/07/politics-and-defense.html/comment-page-1#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather be Socrates than OJ Simpson.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How can a community survive without a defense mechanism against those who would harm the community? I wait longingly for the day when our powers of rehabilitation can heal the hurt we cause each other. But until that day, the community must strive to deter that hurt. (I&#039;m not a fan of retribution, but I&#039;ve never been touched by violent crime.) It is, I believe, with this same attitude that the 6th amendment was written. The deliberate infliction of hurt on one of our own by the community is a solemn and necessary thing, not to be taken lightly or handed off to some bureaucrat. The jury panel is a check on government, but that is not all it is. It is a reminder to us that we are ultimately responsible for the actions of our government. Is every sentence fair? Hardly. Given our current situation, are many sentences necessary? I believe so. I find common ground with the opponents of drug laws, piracy laws, sex trade laws, capital punishment laws. But murder, battery, rape, arson, robbery, and their cousins cannot simply be ignored. Defending the accused is perhaps noble and constitutional, but it is not necessary to hate the laws to fill that role.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Freedom, like justice, is in the clouds. It&#039;s a useful ideal, much as peace is an important ideal, but there are just reasons to go to war and just reasons for the members of a community to agree to limit their freedoms. Is it important that we take seriously the degree to which we make that trade-off? Absolutely. But security is a necessary condition for community, and that necessary security we call justice and hope that in her blind scrabbling she acts with fairness and the morality of the community.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I realize that the passions and delusions that drive us can make a difference in our behavior. Instead of the idealized adversarial system  that I imagine, I suspect that we have two armies of mostly lunatics railing at one another. I only hope it all comes out in the wash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather be Socrates than OJ Simpson.</p>
<p>How can a community survive without a defense mechanism against those who would harm the community? I wait longingly for the day when our powers of rehabilitation can heal the hurt we cause each other. But until that day, the community must strive to deter that hurt. (I&#8217;m not a fan of retribution, but I&#8217;ve never been touched by violent crime.) It is, I believe, with this same attitude that the 6th amendment was written. The deliberate infliction of hurt on one of our own by the community is a solemn and necessary thing, not to be taken lightly or handed off to some bureaucrat. The jury panel is a check on government, but that is not all it is. It is a reminder to us that we are ultimately responsible for the actions of our government. Is every sentence fair? Hardly. Given our current situation, are many sentences necessary? I believe so. I find common ground with the opponents of drug laws, piracy laws, sex trade laws, capital punishment laws. But murder, battery, rape, arson, robbery, and their cousins cannot simply be ignored. Defending the accused is perhaps noble and constitutional, but it is not necessary to hate the laws to fill that role.</p>
<p>Freedom, like justice, is in the clouds. It&#8217;s a useful ideal, much as peace is an important ideal, but there are just reasons to go to war and just reasons for the members of a community to agree to limit their freedoms. Is it important that we take seriously the degree to which we make that trade-off? Absolutely. But security is a necessary condition for community, and that necessary security we call justice and hope that in her blind scrabbling she acts with fairness and the morality of the community.</p>
<p>I realize that the passions and delusions that drive us can make a difference in our behavior. Instead of the idealized adversarial system  that I imagine, I suspect that we have two armies of mostly lunatics railing at one another. I only hope it all comes out in the wash.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/07/politics-and-defense.html/comment-page-1#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, look where that got Socrates.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Consider this, Colin: every expansion of police power has been argued for by a prosecutor and argued against by a defender. If all of those prosecutors had been libertarian, they wouldn&#039;t have argued for more police power. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If all of those defenders had been authoritarian, however, we would be much less free.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a defender, I&#039;m not terribly interested in &quot;justice.&quot; In a retributive &quot;justice&quot; system, &quot;justice&quot; is somebody else&#039;s idea of how my client should be punished. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t believe that we humans have enough information to know what justice is, so I&#039;m fighting for freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, look where that got Socrates.</p>
<p>Consider this, Colin: every expansion of police power has been argued for by a prosecutor and argued against by a defender. If all of those prosecutors had been libertarian, they wouldn&#8217;t have argued for more police power. </p>
<p>If all of those defenders had been authoritarian, however, we would be much less free.</p>
<p>As a defender, I&#8217;m not terribly interested in &#8220;justice.&#8221; In a retributive &#8220;justice&#8221; system, &#8220;justice&#8221; is somebody else&#8217;s idea of how my client should be punished. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that we humans have enough information to know what justice is, so I&#8217;m fighting for freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it&#039;s probably some of the only idealism I have left, but I like to imagine that, except for specialized skills that only work one way, we could turn the tables and make all the defense attorneys prosecute and all the prosecutors defend without causing any real disturbance in the system. A person with an honest desire to see justice done could fit in on either side, knowing they were fulfilling an integral part of a tried and tested, if not perfect, system for balancing the liberties of victims, defendants, and the public. I realize that I am probably 135 degrees from the truth, but where I am is a much nicer place than where alot of people seem to be. I do not agree that politics have to come into it. Rather, that politics is the wrong word. Socrates&#039;s politics were clearly opposed to the local custom, but his personal philosophy would not allow him set himself above the law. Libertarian prosecutor and statist defense attorney need not be oxymorons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s probably some of the only idealism I have left, but I like to imagine that, except for specialized skills that only work one way, we could turn the tables and make all the defense attorneys prosecute and all the prosecutors defend without causing any real disturbance in the system. A person with an honest desire to see justice done could fit in on either side, knowing they were fulfilling an integral part of a tried and tested, if not perfect, system for balancing the liberties of victims, defendants, and the public. I realize that I am probably 135 degrees from the truth, but where I am is a much nicer place than where alot of people seem to be. I do not agree that politics have to come into it. Rather, that politics is the wrong word. Socrates&#8217;s politics were clearly opposed to the local custom, but his personal philosophy would not allow him set himself above the law. Libertarian prosecutor and statist defense attorney need not be oxymorons.</p>
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		<title>By: Matlock</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/07/politics-and-defense.html/comment-page-1#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Matlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what did I do to you?  Just kidding.  Great post, and I really enjoyed the video.  I&#039;ll try to get into this later today with my post, but my point is that I don&#039;t think you have to be &quot;anti-government&quot; (and I hate to use that term, but it&#039;s the best I&#039;ve got) to be a good criminal defense attorney.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think there is a difference between thinking the many facets of the criminal justice system are fair or unfair, and being able to navigate through it successfully.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My personal political beliefs do enter into my defense.  So do yours and Greenfield&#039;s and everyone else&#039;s.  If they don&#039;t, something is wrong with you.  But that fact doesn&#039;t hinder my defense.  I&#039;ll put more in a post later.  Thanks for getting me all worked up. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And by the way, it&#039;s Fort Worth, not Dallas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what did I do to you?  Just kidding.  Great post, and I really enjoyed the video.  I&#8217;ll try to get into this later today with my post, but my point is that I don&#8217;t think you have to be &#8220;anti-government&#8221; (and I hate to use that term, but it&#8217;s the best I&#8217;ve got) to be a good criminal defense attorney.  </p>
<p>I think there is a difference between thinking the many facets of the criminal justice system are fair or unfair, and being able to navigate through it successfully.  </p>
<p>My personal political beliefs do enter into my defense.  So do yours and Greenfield&#8217;s and everyone else&#8217;s.  If they don&#8217;t, something is wrong with you.  But that fact doesn&#8217;t hinder my defense.  I&#8217;ll put more in a post later.  Thanks for getting me all worked up. </p>
<p>And by the way, it&#8217;s Fort Worth, not Dallas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/07/politics-and-defense.html/comment-page-1#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay. If anyone can tell me how to scale that video down, I&#039;d like to hear from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. If anyone can tell me how to scale that video down, I&#8217;d like to hear from them.</p>
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