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	<title>Comments on: Statistical Support for the Sixth Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/07/statistical-support-for-sixth-amendment.html/comment-page-1#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You asked a very good question, one that I ask frequently so didn&#039;t mean to argue with or depress you with a sad story.  The good part of that story was having my client&#039;s family all hug me simultaneously when the jury acquitted!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;re right, a lot of judges are &quot;in between&quot; the idealistic and the extreme example I gave.  Ironically this is a judge who is lenient in sentencing, but punishes those who take up his time.  IHe&#039;s a judge who imposes a &quot;trial tax&quot; which is sickening but an unfortunate reality.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The fun part of that story is that just before the jury acquitted I had to listen to the judge tell me what a bad job I did. So it was fun to walk out with my client a few minutes later.  I knew he was as lazy a prosecutor as he was a judge, so his advice meant nothing anyway.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s hard to know what makes a good judge, but the jury system is often maligned by the powerful because it affects their interests the most effectively!  Without juries, they can install Alitos all over the place and not even bother with tort &quot;reform&quot; or worry about that pesky Constitution.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Keep asking questions and good luck getting into law school.  The story I told might be depressing, but I love my job.  It&#039;s fun keeping people who think like this judge in check and I would have a hard time doing anything else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You asked a very good question, one that I ask frequently so didn&#8217;t mean to argue with or depress you with a sad story.  The good part of that story was having my client&#8217;s family all hug me simultaneously when the jury acquitted!  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, a lot of judges are &#8220;in between&#8221; the idealistic and the extreme example I gave.  Ironically this is a judge who is lenient in sentencing, but punishes those who take up his time.  IHe&#8217;s a judge who imposes a &#8220;trial tax&#8221; which is sickening but an unfortunate reality.  </p>
<p>The fun part of that story is that just before the jury acquitted I had to listen to the judge tell me what a bad job I did. So it was fun to walk out with my client a few minutes later.  I knew he was as lazy a prosecutor as he was a judge, so his advice meant nothing anyway.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know what makes a good judge, but the jury system is often maligned by the powerful because it affects their interests the most effectively!  Without juries, they can install Alitos all over the place and not even bother with tort &#8220;reform&#8221; or worry about that pesky Constitution.</p>
<p>Keep asking questions and good luck getting into law school.  The story I told might be depressing, but I love my job.  It&#8217;s fun keeping people who think like this judge in check and I would have a hard time doing anything else!</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/07/statistical-support-for-sixth-amendment.html/comment-page-1#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right. I am not a defense attorney. I am in the pupal(yukyuk) [law school application] stage of that metamorphosis. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I find it greatly unsettling to hear your story. I know a good number of the baltimore trial judges personally, and they tend to be a mixed bag. Some are bright and hard working types, and some are entitled pricks who put in 5 hour days. Most are in between.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I had meant, in my suggestion that judges might protect the innocent better, that juries may be more of a shotgun approach, screwing the innocent just as readily as they anoint the guilty. My limited experience has been of judges who at least bothered to pay attention, who usually knew the lawyers and trial tactics, and who could figure things out. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This prompted my next question of which judges actually turn out to be decent judges. If there were some method for determining, prior to giving them their pretty robes, which of them were going to perform justly. Around here all felony trial judges are elected, but they usually run unopposed after having been appointed to fill vacancies. If there is a good  method for finding good judges, then the governor could choose to stock the bench with good folks, or at least pick the winners from the losers out of the larger pile of cronies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right. I am not a defense attorney. I am in the pupal(yukyuk) [law school application] stage of that metamorphosis. </p>
<p>I find it greatly unsettling to hear your story. I know a good number of the baltimore trial judges personally, and they tend to be a mixed bag. Some are bright and hard working types, and some are entitled pricks who put in 5 hour days. Most are in between.</p>
<p>I had meant, in my suggestion that judges might protect the innocent better, that juries may be more of a shotgun approach, screwing the innocent just as readily as they anoint the guilty. My limited experience has been of judges who at least bothered to pay attention, who usually knew the lawyers and trial tactics, and who could figure things out. </p>
<p>This prompted my next question of which judges actually turn out to be decent judges. If there were some method for determining, prior to giving them their pretty robes, which of them were going to perform justly. Around here all felony trial judges are elected, but they usually run unopposed after having been appointed to fill vacancies. If there is a good  method for finding good judges, then the governor could choose to stock the bench with good folks, or at least pick the winners from the losers out of the larger pile of cronies.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would greatly surprise me to fine that judges do a better job of protecting the innocent than juries, so you can&#039;t be a defense attorney.  If you are, I want to move to your district because where I&#039;m at a bench trial is known as a &quot;slow plea.&quot;  In fact, after my last misdemeanor jury acquital, the judge advised the prosecutor to guarantee conviction by charging a city ordinance violation of disorderly conduct (which doesn&#039;t require a jury trial in my state) and would thus be tried to the judge.  The judge told the pros that he would have simply convicted my client of the disorderly conduct, after the jury found him not guilty of the assault charge, and maxed him at six months, depriving my client of any &quot;victory&quot; from the jury&#039;s acquital.  What the jduge was truly upset at was because I made him work past 4 pm.  Obviously not all judges are this way, but most that I know are more focused on efficiency than effectiveness.  In my view judges are part of the bureaucracy, and bureaucracy and justice are like oil and water:  if they&#039;re not constantly agitated, they naturally separate.  Jury trials allow this essential agitation better than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would greatly surprise me to fine that judges do a better job of protecting the innocent than juries, so you can&#8217;t be a defense attorney.  If you are, I want to move to your district because where I&#8217;m at a bench trial is known as a &#8220;slow plea.&#8221;  In fact, after my last misdemeanor jury acquital, the judge advised the prosecutor to guarantee conviction by charging a city ordinance violation of disorderly conduct (which doesn&#8217;t require a jury trial in my state) and would thus be tried to the judge.  The judge told the pros that he would have simply convicted my client of the disorderly conduct, after the jury found him not guilty of the assault charge, and maxed him at six months, depriving my client of any &#8220;victory&#8221; from the jury&#8217;s acquital.  What the jduge was truly upset at was because I made him work past 4 pm.  Obviously not all judges are this way, but most that I know are more focused on efficiency than effectiveness.  In my view judges are part of the bureaucracy, and bureaucracy and justice are like oil and water:  if they&#8217;re not constantly agitated, they naturally separate.  Jury trials allow this essential agitation better than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2007/07/statistical-support-for-sixth-amendment.html/comment-page-1#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it any surprise to anyone that juries frequently acquit regardless of the evidence? Here in baltimore, conviction rates are through the floor for that very reason. For a jury to wrongfully convict is certainly a shame, but I would wonder what happened in that kind of trial.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the other hand, I would be very curious if someone could come up with a reasonable estimate of whether a factually innocent person is more likely to be wrongfully convicted by a judge or a jury. It would not surprise me much to find that judges do a pretty decent job of protecting the innocent.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even more interesting would be an analysis on which judges turn out to be the best. Like how much does experience improve a judge&#039;s rulings? Are former prosecutors, defenders, family lawyers, academics, or private practitioners the best judges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it any surprise to anyone that juries frequently acquit regardless of the evidence? Here in baltimore, conviction rates are through the floor for that very reason. For a jury to wrongfully convict is certainly a shame, but I would wonder what happened in that kind of trial.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I would be very curious if someone could come up with a reasonable estimate of whether a factually innocent person is more likely to be wrongfully convicted by a judge or a jury. It would not surprise me much to find that judges do a pretty decent job of protecting the innocent.</p>
<p>Even more interesting would be an analysis on which judges turn out to be the best. Like how much does experience improve a judge&#8217;s rulings? Are former prosecutors, defenders, family lawyers, academics, or private practitioners the best judges?</p>
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