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		<title>By: Trial by Jury on Trial: The Power to Nullify? &#171; Learning Constitutional Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trial by Jury on Trial: The Power to Nullify? &#171; Learning Constitutional Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] exploring the subject. The blogosphere seems to be full of both avid proponents (here and here) and vigorous opposition (which argues directly against this article in Time [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joel Rosenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, I see several folks trying to reduce a difficult question to a simple one, starting with the anon guest blogger.  

Yup, it is a simple issue, generally speaking:  people ought not, by and large, make promises that they don&#039;t intend to keep.  But even the law -- which, as we know, is an ass -- recognizes exceptions to that; duress, say.  Point a gun at my head and make me promise to pay you twenty bucks, and I don&#039;t have to keep that promise.

Jury nullification is much the same thing, even though the metaphorical gun is, by and large, pointed at somebody else&#039;s head. Windy brings up the Richard Paey case, which is an easy example.  A guy who&#039;s done not a damn thing wrong is put on trial, with huge penalties if he&#039;s convicted of the crime of which he is, no question, guilty.  

Compared to putting him in a cell for years, what&#039;s little fib?  -- which, by the way, is made under duress.  (If an erstwhile juror actually tells the truth during voir dire, and the actual truth is, &quot;I&#039;m going to do what makes sense to me and my conscience, and if that&#039;s not in accord with what you and that person in the black robes think, I do hope you&#039;ll suffer great mental anguish,&quot; think that they&#039;re safe from a contempt citation?) 

But that&#039;s an easy case, and even there, there are some repercussions to doing the right thing in that instance.  (The chance of stopping the insane War on Some Drugs goes down, just a little, when jury nullifications happen only in such obvious and egregious cases.) Yup, in another easy case, it&#039;s wrong to let the white murderers of a civil rights worker, proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, go because they&#039;re white guys.  But it&#039;s wrong not because of the fib involved in taking the oath, but because, well, it&#039;s the wrong decision.  

Getting on a jury while being consciously willing to engage in nullification is, in and of itself, a little fib.  Any grownup should know that little fibs are sometimes okay.  Depends on the situation. 

But sure, absent some good enough reason to fib, it&#039;s wrong to fib.  And if you can totally ignore all the good reasons why a good person might fib, we&#039;re back to the old Abe Lincoln bit:  if you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a lamb have?  

Answer:  four.  Because calling a tail a leg doesn&#039;t make it one.  And neither does calling jury nullification inherently wrong make it so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I see several folks trying to reduce a difficult question to a simple one, starting with the anon guest blogger.  </p>
<p>Yup, it is a simple issue, generally speaking:  people ought not, by and large, make promises that they don&#8217;t intend to keep.  But even the law &#8212; which, as we know, is an ass &#8212; recognizes exceptions to that; duress, say.  Point a gun at my head and make me promise to pay you twenty bucks, and I don&#8217;t have to keep that promise.</p>
<p>Jury nullification is much the same thing, even though the metaphorical gun is, by and large, pointed at somebody else&#8217;s head. Windy brings up the Richard Paey case, which is an easy example.  A guy who&#8217;s done not a damn thing wrong is put on trial, with huge penalties if he&#8217;s convicted of the crime of which he is, no question, guilty.  </p>
<p>Compared to putting him in a cell for years, what&#8217;s little fib?  &#8212; which, by the way, is made under duress.  (If an erstwhile juror actually tells the truth during voir dire, and the actual truth is, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to do what makes sense to me and my conscience, and if that&#8217;s not in accord with what you and that person in the black robes think, I do hope you&#8217;ll suffer great mental anguish,&#8221; think that they&#8217;re safe from a contempt citation?) </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s an easy case, and even there, there are some repercussions to doing the right thing in that instance.  (The chance of stopping the insane War on Some Drugs goes down, just a little, when jury nullifications happen only in such obvious and egregious cases.) Yup, in another easy case, it&#8217;s wrong to let the white murderers of a civil rights worker, proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, go because they&#8217;re white guys.  But it&#8217;s wrong not because of the fib involved in taking the oath, but because, well, it&#8217;s the wrong decision.  </p>
<p>Getting on a jury while being consciously willing to engage in nullification is, in and of itself, a little fib.  Any grownup should know that little fibs are sometimes okay.  Depends on the situation. </p>
<p>But sure, absent some good enough reason to fib, it&#8217;s wrong to fib.  And if you can totally ignore all the good reasons why a good person might fib, we&#8217;re back to the old Abe Lincoln bit:  if you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a lamb have?  </p>
<p>Answer:  four.  Because calling a tail a leg doesn&#8217;t make it one.  And neither does calling jury nullification inherently wrong make it so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Witmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Witmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t have time to read all of the above, but let me point out a few relevant facts anyway:

[If you don&#039;t have time to read others&#039; comments, why would anyone bother to read yours? I&#039;m cutting out the middleman and deleting the rest. MB]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t have time to read all of the above, but let me point out a few relevant facts anyway:</p>
<p>[If you don't have time to read others' comments, why would anyone bother to read yours? I'm cutting out the middleman and deleting the rest. MB]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ECV -- Simple. 

a) Zero. 

b) Zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ECV &#8212; Simple. </p>
<p>a) Zero. </p>
<p>b) Zero.</p>
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		<title>By: ECV</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a simple -- I hope -- question from a layperson:  How many successful prosecutions are there each year in the United States of jurors or prospective jurors for:  (a) lying under oath about their opposition to the law or laws under which the defendant is charged, their intent to disregard the judge&#039;s instructions, or their intent to acquit the defendant irrespective of the evidence presented during the trial; or (b) failing to volunteer that they are aware of jury nullification, whether or not they intend to practice it in the instant case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a simple &#8212; I hope &#8212; question from a layperson:  How many successful prosecutions are there each year in the United States of jurors or prospective jurors for:  (a) lying under oath about their opposition to the law or laws under which the defendant is charged, their intent to disregard the judge&#8217;s instructions, or their intent to acquit the defendant irrespective of the evidence presented during the trial; or (b) failing to volunteer that they are aware of jury nullification, whether or not they intend to practice it in the instant case?</p>
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		<title>By: Clay S. Conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay S. Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI:

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2008/06/jury-nullificat.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI:</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prosecutor in Texas,


I am an attorney in Texas albeit a business transaction guy with a fondness of Constitutional Law. 

You asked right off the bat, &quot;Can you please explain to me how jury nullification is not a gross and unconscionable violation of the juror’s oath?&quot;

I will tell you EXACTLY how, with no hard feelings attached. 

Scenario 1: When a legislature/executive signs a law that encroaches on our natural and inalienable rights. i.e. when those branches neglect their own oaths to the Constitution when they took office. 

Scenario 2: During the law enforcement phase, enforcement is applied against the intention and policy of the enacted law, in a manner that is a detriment to the community it serves, well prejudicial enforcement, etc. This occurs when the law enforcement officer has already breached his oath to the Constitution and the law. 

It seems to me that in either of these situations, it is the jury&#039;s duty to stop them in order to MAINTAIN their own oath. In so doing, the jury of ones peers retains the power to keep both of these in check. They don&#039;t set precedent, but in that specific scenario they can &quot;call foul&quot;, but again, Do you not trust your own community to be able to make that call? 

I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prosecutor in Texas,</p>
<p>I am an attorney in Texas albeit a business transaction guy with a fondness of Constitutional Law. </p>
<p>You asked right off the bat, &#8220;Can you please explain to me how jury nullification is not a gross and unconscionable violation of the juror’s oath?&#8221;</p>
<p>I will tell you EXACTLY how, with no hard feelings attached. </p>
<p>Scenario 1: When a legislature/executive signs a law that encroaches on our natural and inalienable rights. i.e. when those branches neglect their own oaths to the Constitution when they took office. </p>
<p>Scenario 2: During the law enforcement phase, enforcement is applied against the intention and policy of the enacted law, in a manner that is a detriment to the community it serves, well prejudicial enforcement, etc. This occurs when the law enforcement officer has already breached his oath to the Constitution and the law. </p>
<p>It seems to me that in either of these situations, it is the jury&#8217;s duty to stop them in order to MAINTAIN their own oath. In so doing, the jury of ones peers retains the power to keep both of these in check. They don&#8217;t set precedent, but in that specific scenario they can &#8220;call foul&#8221;, but again, Do you not trust your own community to be able to make that call? </p>
<p>I do.</p>
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		<title>By: James G</title>
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		<dc:creator>James G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happy to see so many people striving to find the form of common law freedom that was intinded for this nation from the very beginning.I personally fill pivileged to have found web site.And to those few bloggers who are contrary to the popular belief of this site.I pray to my creator that your thoughts be comfounded on your coquest to hang on to a statutory system that is robbing us of our liberties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happy to see so many people striving to find the form of common law freedom that was intinded for this nation from the very beginning.I personally fill pivileged to have found web site.And to those few bloggers who are contrary to the popular belief of this site.I pray to my creator that your thoughts be comfounded on your coquest to hang on to a statutory system that is robbing us of our liberties.</p>
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		<title>By: misconduct</title>
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		<dc:creator>misconduct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still confused about what constitutes a lie by a prosecutor. In one Texas case where the prosecutor lost his case ,to save face , he appealed the judges decision to the appellate court (located in his home town). The (&quot;victim&#039;s&quot;)recent violent acts and bouts of rage had been attributed to his abuse of self-administered doses of anabolic steroids ,smuggled from old Mexico . according to the defense .
   In his oral presentation to the appellate judges , the prosecutor said &quot;An autopsy was performed on the &quot;victim&quot; and that no steroids showed up in the autopsy results&quot; . Both these statements were factual , but misleading .The trial transcripts told a different story . The forensic examiner had testified that the technology he uses in his laboratory would not pick up steroids and he didn&#039;t know one way or another if steroids were present .Was the prosecutor lying to the appellate judges or simply trying to mislead them ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still confused about what constitutes a lie by a prosecutor. In one Texas case where the prosecutor lost his case ,to save face , he appealed the judges decision to the appellate court (located in his home town). The (&#8220;victim&#8217;s&#8221;)recent violent acts and bouts of rage had been attributed to his abuse of self-administered doses of anabolic steroids ,smuggled from old Mexico . according to the defense .<br />
   In his oral presentation to the appellate judges , the prosecutor said &#8220;An autopsy was performed on the &#8220;victim&#8221; and that no steroids showed up in the autopsy results&#8221; . Both these statements were factual , but misleading .The trial transcripts told a different story . The forensic examiner had testified that the technology he uses in his laboratory would not pick up steroids and he didn&#8217;t know one way or another if steroids were present .Was the prosecutor lying to the appellate judges or simply trying to mislead them ?</p>
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		<title>By: “You want it to be one way … but it’s the other way.” &#124; &#124; Beauty Women</title>
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		<dc:creator>“You want it to be one way … but it’s the other way.” &#124; &#124; Beauty Women</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the blog of criminal defense attorney Mark Bennett, a Texas prosecutor has put up an astonishing guest post arguing that merely advocating for jury nullification is in itself a crime, and that the authors of [...]</description>
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