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	<title>Comments on: David Martin, Willingham&#8217;s Trial Lawyer, Speaks Up (Updated With New Links)</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2009/10/david-martin-willinghams-trial-lawyer-speaks-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-10768</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sassin&#039; me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sassin&#8217; me?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it hard always being the smartest lawyer in every thread?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it hard always being the smartest lawyer in every thread?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got that; it&#039;s actually what I said (much more elegantly) with my two references to the science of Martin&#039;s &quot;experiment&quot;.

No, what I take exception to is the first paragraph of Mr. Lentini&#039;s comment, in which he suggests that Martin&#039;s &quot;experiment&quot; proves some point. I should have said that. Oh, wait. I did.

No good comes from trying to grind an already sharp ax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got that; it&#8217;s actually what I said (much more elegantly) with my two references to the science of Martin&#8217;s &#8220;experiment&#8221;.</p>
<p>No, what I take exception to is the first paragraph of Mr. Lentini&#8217;s comment, in which he suggests that Martin&#8217;s &#8220;experiment&#8221; proves some point. I should have said that. Oh, wait. I did.</p>
<p>No good comes from trying to grind an already sharp ax.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Halkides</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2009/10/david-martin-willinghams-trial-lawyer-speaks-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-10750</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Halkides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

I think you are missing Mr. Lentini&#039;s points.  What he is saying here is what he and other arson experts have been saying for quite some time now.  One cannot tell anything about so-called pour patterns by visual inspection because flashover can produce something that looks as if accelerant were used.  I think Mr. Lentini knows independently that black swans exist, and so is correcting Mr. Martin, who thinks that they do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>I think you are missing Mr. Lentini&#8217;s points.  What he is saying here is what he and other arson experts have been saying for quite some time now.  One cannot tell anything about so-called pour patterns by visual inspection because flashover can produce something that looks as if accelerant were used.  I think Mr. Lentini knows independently that black swans exist, and so is correcting Mr. Martin, who thinks that they do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2009/10/david-martin-willinghams-trial-lawyer-speaks-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-10749</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Swidler &amp; Berlin v. United States&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Swidler &#038; Berlin v. United States</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, why do you believe the attorney-client privilege in a criminal case persists after death?   In a criminal case, I&#039;m wondering what possible interest the client would have after death.  is there a basis for your opinion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, why do you believe the attorney-client privilege in a criminal case persists after death?   In a criminal case, I&#8217;m wondering what possible interest the client would have after death.  is there a basis for your opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: Shameful &#8212; Chandler Criminal Defense</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2009/10/david-martin-willinghams-trial-lawyer-speaks-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-10733</link>
		<dc:creator>Shameful &#8212; Chandler Criminal Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] video mostly speaks for itself, but you can read some great blog posts about it here, here, here, and here. Willingham&#8217;s appellate lawyer even wrote about it here (the link is to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] video mostly speaks for itself, but you can read some great blog posts about it here, here, here, and here. Willingham&#8217;s appellate lawyer even wrote about it here (the link is to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to your first paragraph:

That lighter fluid and carpet creates those patterns proves only that lighter fluid and carpet in fires in the open create those patterns. 

Your saying that it proves that other things burning inside a compartment make the same patterns is just as unscientific as Martin&#039;s implying that it proves that only lighter fluid creates such patterns. Maybe more so. Martin sees a white swan, and concludes that all swans are white. You see a white swan as proof that black swans exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to your first paragraph:</p>
<p>That lighter fluid and carpet creates those patterns proves only that lighter fluid and carpet in fires in the open create those patterns. </p>
<p>Your saying that it proves that other things burning inside a compartment make the same patterns is just as unscientific as Martin&#8217;s implying that it proves that only lighter fluid creates such patterns. Maybe more so. Martin sees a white swan, and concludes that all swans are white. You see a white swan as proof that black swans exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Capital Defense Weekly &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ethics check: Willingham style</title>
		<link>http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2009/10/david-martin-willinghams-trial-lawyer-speaks-up.html/comment-page-1#comment-10726</link>
		<dc:creator>Capital Defense Weekly &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ethics check: Willingham style</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff Gamso perhaps sums up best: It’s been a long time since I’ve practiced in Texas, so I’ll take your word for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff Gamso perhaps sums up best: It’s been a long time since I’ve practiced in Texas, so I’ll take your word for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Lentini</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lentini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Martin’s statement about conducting an experiment with lighter fluid and getting the exact same kind of patterns that he saw in the Willingham residence actually proves the point of the fire scientists who have researched the development of fire patterns in fully involved compartments.
 
While it is true that you can make a pattern with an indictable liquid in the open, you can make that same pattern without an indictable liquid inside a compartment. Patterns produced during full room involvement can look exactly like patterns produced by an indictable liquid, and care must be taken in their interpretation. In fact, if the laboratory report comes back negative, the pattern should be attributed to the radiation that accompanies full room involvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Martin’s statement about conducting an experiment with lighter fluid and getting the exact same kind of patterns that he saw in the Willingham residence actually proves the point of the fire scientists who have researched the development of fire patterns in fully involved compartments.</p>
<p>While it is true that you can make a pattern with an indictable liquid in the open, you can make that same pattern without an indictable liquid inside a compartment. Patterns produced during full room involvement can look exactly like patterns produced by an indictable liquid, and care must be taken in their interpretation. In fact, if the laboratory report comes back negative, the pattern should be attributed to the radiation that accompanies full room involvement.</p>
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