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November 1, 2013 in
In light of the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals decision holding Section 33.021(b) of the Texas Penal Code (the “dirty talk” portion of the Online Solicitation of a Minor Statute) unconstitutional under the First Amendment, there is a good constitutional challenge to Section 33.021(c) (the “solicitation” portion of the Online Solicitation of a Minor Statute):
A person commits an offense if the person, over the Internet or by electronic mail or a commercial online service, knowingly solicits a minor to meet another person, including the actor, with the intent that the minor will engage in sexual contact, sexual intercourse, or deviate sexual intercourse with the actor or another person.
As a preliminary matter, this is a content-based speech restriction: to determine whether the law is violated you have to determine whether the communication is solicitative or not. If it is not solicitative speech (for example, the dirty talk forbidden by 33.021(b)), it is not forbidden by 33.021(c).
In Maloney v. State the First Court of Appeals upheld the constitutionality of Section 33.021(c) in the face of a vagueness and overbreadth challenge. It analyzed the statute as one regulating conduct rather than speech. But the analysis is wrong. Solicitation is speech—unprotected speech, but speech nonetheless. The correct approach, following Stevens v. United States, is to ask whether the speech forbidden by Section 33.021(c) is within a historically unprotected category.
Solicitation is a historically unprotected category of speech, but the category is narrowly drawn—as the Court said in the 2008 case U.S. v. Williams,
Many long established criminal proscriptions—such as laws against conspiracy, incitement, and solicitation—criminalize speech…that is intended to induce or commence illegal activities.
Or in the 1969 case Brandenburg v. Ohio,
[T]he constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.
Various child-solicitation statutes have been upheld. And soliciting a child to meet for sex is “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action,” and so is unprotected under the Brandenburg test…or is it?
Here’s where the Texas Legislature overreached itself. Section 33.021(d) of the Texas penal code says:
It is not a defense to prosecution under Subsection (c) that:
…;
(2) the actor did not intend for the meeting to occur; or
(3) the actor was engaged in a fantasy at the time of commission of the offense.
If the defendant did not intend for the meeting to occur and was engaged in a fantasy at the time of his words, then his words were not “directed to producing imminent lawless action,” were not solicitation, and do not lose First Amedment protection. Sections 33.021(c) and (d) combined explicitly criminalize fantasy, forbidding speech—fantasy speech—that is protected by the First Amendment.
It gets worse. Section 33.021(a) defines “minor” as (among other things) “(A) an individual who represents himself or herself to be younger than 17 years of age.” So if the “minor” is just pretending to be a minor, and the defendant knows it, and the defendant sends a text proposing a meeting for sex with no intent that it happen, the defendant has committed a felony. If you and your longtime partner have ever engaged in “age play” in which you were both sixteen again, and you text her suggesting that you meet for sex, boom. Felony.
@MarkWBennett Congrats. You’ve been saying this for a while. It’s like Babe Ruth calling his own shot. https://t.co/VuLhGjoW2H
— Robert Guest (@RobertSGuest) October 30, 2013
You read it here first: Section 33.021(c), combined with Section 33.021(d), is unconstitutional.
Add it to the list with improper photography and online impersonation.
I hate to sound unnecessarily arrogant, but there are very few lawyers in Texas whom I would trust to handle these challenges. This is a very specialized area of the law, at the intersection of the First Amendment and criminal law. Most lawyers thought I was crazy to say that 33.021(b) was unconstitutional; they kept pleading those cases even after they knew about the pending appeal in the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals.
If you’re a lawyer, please don’t try this at home. Call me and we’ll do it together.
You have also left out the Texas Online Impersonation Statute, TX PC Sec. 33.07.
[Lots of text deleted, the gist of which is, “I’m a dumbass who didn’t see the sentence in this very post saying ‘Add it to the list with improper photography and online impersonation.’ and can’t be bothered to check what you’ve written on the topic before before lecturing you on a subject on which your expertise has lately been resoundingly affirmed.” MB]
I didn’t know you had written on this topic before. Your link took me to your comment Re: improper photography. I don’t see any in-depth discussion on Online Impersonation.
The link was to a google search for “online impersonation site:blog.bennettandbennett.com.”
E.g. https://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2013/01/arizona-cribs-its-online-impersonation-statute-from-texas-still-unconstitutional.html
or https://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2012/11/three-overbroad-texas-penal-statutes.html
You’re like a teenager who thinks he just invented sex.
No. I’m like a guy is not very familiar with your website.
With regards to these kind of laws, would it not be possible for someone to challenge them via suit for declaratory judgment in Austin? What about you or the ACLU doing something like that?
You could have googled [Texas Online Impersonation Unconstitutional] and had the same result.
I’ve been looking into a declaratory judgment action—not necessarily in Austin, but in federal court. I’m learning about the topic.
Mr Bennett, could you possible direct me to an attorney in the area of Rockwall County or Hunt County that you feel is capable of handling a case like this. I would appreciate it very much.
@Deana, Ma’am, Mr. Bennett is not being immodest when he comments that there are very few lawyers whom he would trust to handle a matter in this very specialized field. Hire Mr. Bennett and let HIM seek out local counsel, if necessary.
Ok Marilou. I will see if I can do that. Thank you so much for the advise.
Mr. Bennett
I was wondering if I could see you in regards of this new law. I am on probation for a case of online solicitation from 2010. And if you can tell me how much you charge for the first visit.
Thank you
Give me a call around midday tomorrow.
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Mr. Bennett,
I would like to know if you would take on my sons case. He has solitation of a minor, and some pornography charges. We told the attorney that was court appointed to him that the pictures on his computer was not his. He lived with a couple that had gotten on his computer when he was not at home. There’s a lot if things that they would not even bring up in court. He got deferred adj. he’s on 10 years probation.
I would like to know what kind of money it would take to get this overturned.
Deana, please email me at mb@ivi3.com instead of seeking counsel in blog comments. Thanks.
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Congrats on hamstringing the Thought Police.
Hi Mr. Bennet,
So has there been any new developments on this particular issue? I spoke with you a while back and have a solicitations offence (c) from 2006 that was a police sting operation where I actually went to meet.
Thanks
No new developments, Joe. There are a couple of cases in which the defendants are trying to fight it. The direct appeal Lo case took years, so if you’re in a hurry you might want to hire someone to file a writ.
Thank God for Mr. Bennett and Mr. Bart Craytor. I am back with my family after these two men submitted a Writ of Habeas Corpus on my behalf. The State of Texas conceded to the Writ on the 21st of June 2014.
Thank you for allowing me and my family to start the long process of healing to come.
God bless you.
Steven M. Arnold
Hi. Mr. Bennett. Simply wondering with the new govenor taking office soon and the political waves changing if Online Solicitation 33.021 C. Will be changed or altered at some point. Hopefully sooner rather then later. Any info would be helpful.
Are there any legal actions pending against Texas regarding Texas Penal Code 33.021 b? It seems that Texas has had absolutely no consequences for destroying all these people’s lives, including mine.
Nope. No consequences.
Mr. Bennett,
I was convicted back in 2014 for online solicitation of a minor 33.021(c) during a police sting, there was no real victim under the age of 17. My wife saw an article that this statute was declared unconstitutional and had been changed. Since the statute I was convicted of has been changed would I be able to seek to have my conviction overturned?
No, but if one of the three challenges pending in the Court of Criminal Appeals succeeds, you might.
I hope this bs law goes away. A cop is not a minor. I am nearly done with this nightmare.
Do we know the status of the Court as of May 17,2017?
Teaching a man to fish:
https://www.txcourts.gov/cca
“Case Search”
Enter “Leax” (without quotes) in box labeled “Style.”
Bookmark resulting page.
I am wondering how San Antonio police go entrap ppl in Austin chat. I was convicted in 2009 but caught my case in 06.
I just was released from prison. I’m looking to see if my online solicitation conviction can be overturned